Islam: Apostacy is the best option
Dean is angry at some right-wing conservatives who don't make the distinction between Islamists and Moslems in general. In case my comment doesn't appear, I pasted it here, so it's not lost.
Dean,
My Grandfather was a Communist. Born and bred Communist, who had believed in Communism, and in the goodness of Lenin and Stalin. He was also a great human being, who fought bravely against the Nazis - so he too was a US ally in WWII, then he raised children, worked hard, and set an example for all in the family with his honesty and integrity. I loved him, and I would never want to disrespect his memory. He was anything but an evil person, and there were millions like him in the USSR.
But I am anti-Communist. I consider Communism an evil ideology.
Just because there are decent, good people among Moslems, doesn't mean Islam doesn't have a problem. Calling Islam evil is not the same as calling all Muslims evil. I can respect a Moslem, just like I respected my Grandfather, but I will go only so far in respecting his convictions.
According to Dean, accepting the statement "that Islam is incompatible with democracy... means we have to declare war on the entire Muslim world if we're to hope for human freedom to survive."
I disagree with that. Declaring war on the whole Islamic world does not follow from that statement. Saying that Communism is incompatible with democracy, or is evil, didn't mean going to an all-out world with the Soviets, did it? Defeating the Nazi Germany didn't mean killing all those who had fought on the Nazis' side, did it? I think Dean can do a better job distinguishing ideas from people. Throwing around such words as "enemy" and "traitor" is a sign of a Western urbanite who probably hasn't seen much action triggered by these words.
We should not declare war on the Moslem world, but we should advocate apostacy. We should openly say to Moslems: look, we understand that this is the religion of your ansestors, and we'd like to respect that, but this Islam thing that you've got really doesn't work for us. We can tolerate your mosques, but don't expect us to like them. We have not seen much good coming out of them. It would be best if you stopped this nonsense altogether, but in the meanwhile we would appreciate if you started considering giving us the same kind of respect you demand from us. Perhaps then you'll have to admit that what you demand is not respect, but submission.
Dean,
My Grandfather was a Communist. Born and bred Communist, who had believed in Communism, and in the goodness of Lenin and Stalin. He was also a great human being, who fought bravely against the Nazis - so he too was a US ally in WWII, then he raised children, worked hard, and set an example for all in the family with his honesty and integrity. I loved him, and I would never want to disrespect his memory. He was anything but an evil person, and there were millions like him in the USSR.
But I am anti-Communist. I consider Communism an evil ideology.
Just because there are decent, good people among Moslems, doesn't mean Islam doesn't have a problem. Calling Islam evil is not the same as calling all Muslims evil. I can respect a Moslem, just like I respected my Grandfather, but I will go only so far in respecting his convictions.
According to Dean, accepting the statement "that Islam is incompatible with democracy... means we have to declare war on the entire Muslim world if we're to hope for human freedom to survive."
I disagree with that. Declaring war on the whole Islamic world does not follow from that statement. Saying that Communism is incompatible with democracy, or is evil, didn't mean going to an all-out world with the Soviets, did it? Defeating the Nazi Germany didn't mean killing all those who had fought on the Nazis' side, did it? I think Dean can do a better job distinguishing ideas from people. Throwing around such words as "enemy" and "traitor" is a sign of a Western urbanite who probably hasn't seen much action triggered by these words.
We should not declare war on the Moslem world, but we should advocate apostacy. We should openly say to Moslems: look, we understand that this is the religion of your ansestors, and we'd like to respect that, but this Islam thing that you've got really doesn't work for us. We can tolerate your mosques, but don't expect us to like them. We have not seen much good coming out of them. It would be best if you stopped this nonsense altogether, but in the meanwhile we would appreciate if you started considering giving us the same kind of respect you demand from us. Perhaps then you'll have to admit that what you demand is not respect, but submission.
posted by Ivan Lenin at 05:59
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